Imagine someone recently brought into, or back into, politics in the wave of enthusiasm generated by the process leading to the election of Jeremy Corbyn. 1. Stop the War is today a politically totally compromised organisation, with long roots in accommodating to Islamic Fundamentalist groups, and now , by ignoring its dire role , also giving cover to the continued crimes of the Assad regime and its cynical Russian imperialist backers. Unsubstantiated conspiracy theories were touted as hard fact. Stop the War Coalition was live. Neither Phil nor Andy do that. Jesse Jackson, the London mayor Ken Livingstone, the Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy, and the pop star Ms. Dynamite. The main anti-STW contributors are doing themselves a great disservice in being so venemous and insulting to their opponents. He also says that “In Britain there is a deep pride in the armed forces, and respect for the ideal of service that they represent. Yours? You really need to be able to understand and grasp the notion of a broad-based single-issue campaign Gerry. Whatever its organisational flaws, the STWC grew at an exponential rate as war loomed, mostly developing through blossoming networks at local levels. | Powered by, http://www.workersliberty.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=570&mode=thread&order=0, http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/notes/snSG-02109.pdf, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3550411.stm. If there was a Soviet Union today, we would not be having this conversation about plunging into a new war in the Middle East, and the US would not be rampaging around the globe. Voices Stop the War Coalition: This group of left-wing enemies has survived many rifts. There’s no reason at all why he can’t fully participate in StWC protests with those political viewpoints – why on earth does he seem to think otherwise? Jeremy was asked twice in the Parliamentary debate on the Syrian bombing by other MP’s about the need to directly support the Kurds. Anybody who gives it political cover has some of the blood on its hands. So Lenin backing the idea of not fighting the German army ,in the Great War, was similar to not invading Iraq? I think that Corbyn provides a good example in this respect, even when I don’t reach the same conclusions as him. A more effective technique might have been to produce well-researched, well-argued critiques of the arguments for war, which could then be presented to MPs and journalists in large-scale lobbying efforts and media campaigns. Your analogy re new members is also unclear – whereas I don’t want new members to look at Stop the War, see that Jeremy was their Chair, and think that they are a decent organisation…I want them to know that many socialists reject and despise Stop the War, for the reasons I and many others have given: their poisonous politics, and their profound anti-socialism. Rather employing that hoary old leftist jibe that I am arguing from an “ivory tower”, for example, Peter Wilsman should try to show what it is in my argument which shows the detachment from reality impied by that phrase. If we want to maximise the number of people who get involved having dipped their toes in the water of political activity then we need to drop the short-hand condemnations and justify all the conclusions we reach even if that is sometimes limited to providing appropriate links to the sources on which our judgements are based. So in this situation the selective cod pacifism of the StWC is not “innocent” of involvement in innocent murder and enslavement, anymore than the continual ignoring of the monstrous crimes of the Assad regime crimes – refusing to campaign for an end to the regime’s indiscriminate barrel bombing of rebel areas, and now the indiscriminate bombing by their Russian (imperialist) allies, leaves StWC with clean hands. The rapid growth of the STWC before the war was followed by an even more rapid shrinkage. The Guardian. Stop the War has since been dedicated to preventing and ending the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and elsewhere. Andy lists different interest groups in STW from pacifists to those who believe that British troops can justifiably be used to “protect and promote British territory, citizens and interests”. Despite claims to the contrary by STWC leaders, there was little to link the Israel/Palestine issue to Iraq , other than their being geographic neighbours. Better for the Kurds to be victims of Daesh and Turkish genocide than the Left has to grasp that sometimes the tactical needs of real people facing immanent destruction trumps the fanciful ideological constructs of UK Lefties – secure in our bourgeois democratic haven ! The crowd was estimated at 25,000 people by the police, 75,000 by the STWC. Motion 1: Trump’ s m ilitary e scalation and the Special Relationship from the Officers group Conference notes that in the first period of his term, US President Trump has demonstrated a definite preference for military … A founding member and convenor of the British anti-war organisation Stop the War Coalition, she was formerly a member of the Socialist Workers Party, sitting on its central committee and editor of its magazine, Socialist Review. On the day war broke out, hundreds of people gathered in the city centre to voice their anger, and main roads were blocked by large crowds both at midday and in the evening. Nestor – good comments, and very well put. I don’t know much about STWC. I suggest you try arguing on actual points of fact and politics, James . Moreover, Andrew Murray was not the only figure in the STWC’s leadership to show a certain wistful nostalgia towards history’s greatest mass murderer. London : Faber and Faber. A witch hunt that is not because StWC positions or internal practices but because it is the main organisation that combats their own permanent war/colonial regime change mentality and so is seen as a threat, and more importantly right now it is seen as a way to attack and undermine Jeremy Corbyn. As well as reducing in size, the social makeup of STWC protests also changed radically. Spare us your smug,”oooh look how clean my hands are” self righteousness, James Stewart.In the specific context of Syria today Your cod pacifism is not only morally unsupportable, but is actually a deliberate selective distortion of reality too. Lamia – good comment. The cost for the left in bestowing this ridiculously “substitutionist” “historically progressive” anti imperialist role on these universally ghastly regimes has been to turn a cynical blind eye to their systematic murderous oppression of their own working classes , socialists, and minority communities. This has led them to imbue the most ghastly fascistic, totalitarian regimes with membership of the fantasy “axis of resistance” – not coincidentally usually made up of old allies of the USSR, eg, Gaddafi’s Libya, Assad’s Syria, Saddam’s Iraq, Serbia. It is difficult to trace the exact path of development of the STWC during this period, as the grassroots, DIY ethos of the organisation was something that did not encourage meticulous record-keeping. Can we safely assume that such people will immediately know that accusations of “poisonous politics” find their justification “all over” the “websites and back pages” of those accused or even in all “those tweets about Paris”. Any movement of the UK Left which cannot support the right of the Kurds for national self determination and their right for arms and assistance to fight off the murderous Daesh fascists, and Turkey, is simply not fit for purpose. So, no, not being trapped in your rigid stalinoid ideological framework , with its narrow soviet-era definition of “imperialism” – and with no illusions that the murderous Assad dictatorship is, or was ever, either a socialist state, or an “anti imperialist” power, I don’t find it necessary to either support the current Tory/Benn barren “do a meaningless bit of bombing as an act of pure theatre” “strategy”, or in contrast, refuse to support the tactical needs of the progressive Kurdish forces to draw down air support and arms from whosoever THEY choose. What I am suggesting is that we need a style of debate which we try to make as inclusive as possible. Edinburgh Stop the War Coalition. Time for this revolting alliance of Putinites and pacifists to be wound up. The Stop the War Coalition had been formed on September 21 st 2001 in London , in the wake of the September 11 th attacks. Of course that doesn’t, of itself, invalidate his arguments, but it does indicate that his view is not necessarily typical of all socialists. They are certainly no friends of the Syrian Democratic Revolution. The Stop the War Coalition (StWC) (informally just Stop the War) is a United Kingdom group set up on 21 September 2001 that campaigns against what it believes are unjust wars.. Have you not read Phil’s article or any of the many socialists. The issue is what is tactically appropriate for the real people fighting fascist tyranny NOW in the area – not fitting everything that occurs into a rigid , pre-set ideological narrative – based on entirely bogus soviet era “Stalino-Marxism”. Its aim is not to prevent all wars wherever they may occur, but to stop the UK from going to war. It allies with jihadis, islamists stalinists and neo stalinists against democratic socialists everywhere. Good writing. The Stop the War Coalition grew at an unprecedented rate as grassroots organisations developed local networks, and its spokespersons and events became increasingly prominent. Stop the War Coalition (StWC) is an Australian anti-war group initially formed in Sydney in 2003 in response to the US-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the general " War on Terror " of which the Australian Government has been a strong ally. Likewise, shouting “no blood for oil” might have played well when preaching to the choir, but was unlikely to sway the opinion of a middle-of-the-road Labour or Conservative MP trying to make sense of the arguments and counter-arguments. The Independent on Sunday. Are you even in the Labour Party John, because it is quite clear from your lecturing Judean Peoples Front essay that the key points of what is really going on here regarding a dangerous witch hunt against Jeremy has gone straight over your head. Cohen pointed out, quite rightly, that “there were 20 million reasons”[2] (the number of people killed by Stalin) to abominate the name of Stalin beyond all others. It seems that you have a strong objection to “anybody” who supports STWC. 3. Without tackling the underlying regional proxy war within which Daesh thrives, and the need to get rid of the murderous sectarian Assad Baathist tyranny, there can be no peace process in the area. The labour movement does not need a pro-Putin fifth column. I don’t hold STW collectively reponsible for every opinion reposted on their website. Shame, he probably had a bright future. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3550411.stm It is interesting that you should say that. Initially a campaign to oppose an American military response to the terrorist attacks, the first meeting was chaired by Lindsey German and attracted around 2,000 people. Many were repelled by sights such as Socialist Worker-sponsored placards bearing the words “Victory to the Resistance”, a repugnant sight to anyone who had marched against the war out of a principled opposition to what they perceived as an unnecessary war, not to become cheerleaders for Saddam’s fedayeen . Most of the arguments claiming to link the Israel/Palestine issue to the Iraq issue tended to be simply comparisons – the malign effect of US foreign policy in the Middle East , a perceived oppression of Muslims by the West, track records on failing to observe UN resolutions – rather than actual concrete links between the two countries and conflicts. The StWC needs disbanding. Afghanistan is Lost: Bring Troops Home Now, Say Soldiers’ Families By Stop the War Coalition, November 12, 2012 . The leadership of StWC should be branded with infamy and kicked out of the labour movement. Gerry, yes I did read PhilBC’s article. You see so far as I can tell Jeremy and StWC are responsible for zero deaths, not one. For one thing, whilst protest marches may tell an MP that a decision will be unpopular , they do not necessarily inform him or her whether this decision is rationally justified . Red or green, aligned or not, Left Futures seeks to refresh and activate your politics. I also don’t agree 100 per cent with the political views of every single person within the Stop the War Coalition, but I also supported 100 per cent the protests that StWC organised against the bombing of Syria and attended some of them. The best that’s Left in Labour. StWc in its cynical selective sole focus on the (undoubted) crimes of Western imperialism is actually, by default , providing ideological cover to the Assad regime and its Iranian and Russian imperialist allies. The Stop The War Coalition website has published a number of posts about Ukraine. A consequence of this was the involvement of the Muslim Association of Britain (MAB), which, along with the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, would co-sponsor the Stop the War protests. Become a member for as little as £2 per month. The Stop the War Coalition (StWC) has recently come under heavy pressure for refusing to protest the relentless Russian bombing of Aleppo and its blatant targeting of civilians and aid convoys. Thanks to Gerry and Co, you’ve made me actually look at the StWC website (where I enjoyed catching up with great writers like John Pilger and Tariq Ali), and where I saw the interview with Richard Burgon MP which I’d previously missed -http://www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news/richard-burgon-mp-criticism-on-stop-the-war-are-proxy-attacks-on-corbyn – and who said everything I was thinking about this being a proxy attack against Jeremy. Britain’s Stop the War Coalition (STWC) held a demonstration in London on Saturday. Between 750,000 and two million people (depending on whose estimates you believed) marched through the streets of London . The main flaw in the STWC was that, although the demand it was making in late 2002 and early 2003 was a fairly moderate one (“Don’t Attack Iraq ”), a significant chunk of its leadership displayed extreme-left views that moderates would find repugnant. He starts of with three assertions about the wisdom of STW on three issues (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya). StWC deserves a great deal of credit for organising these and many other protests around the country. I don’t think that assumption can be justified and, frankly, even as an old-timer who tries to keep up I have to say that all that stuff is not known to me (I have less than a passing interest in the activities of far-left groupings). Header images: Wind farm [credit]. These Stalinists and neo-Stalinists that back Putin as some kind of champion of anti-imperialism are in a de facto alliance with the European fascist right who see Putin as a bulwark against Western liberalism and the American far right too now judging by Putin’s comments about Trump yesterday. Even supposed allies of the STWC, such as the Communist Party of Great Britain, were driven to complain that ‘The Stop the War Coalition can still mobilise tens of thousands onto the streets, but politically it offers little more than populist platitudes.’ 12 Attempts to transform the STWC into a political party, the Respect Coalition, have materialised into little more than George Galloway, the SWP, a few other extreme-left groups, a few trade union branches, plus some informal links with the Muslim Association of Britain. The coalition has opposed the various wars that are claimed to be part of the ongoing "War on Terrorism".It has been the most prominent group in Britain campaigning against the war in Afghanistan and the Iraq War. They are for 'strong and credible' governments in Syria and Iraq, and an end to all foreign military involvement What I have found are some very good articles and some not so good. Actually, in 1917, Lenin’s home was Switzerland. A consequence of this is that the same old faces seem to continually pop up in its various incarnations. However, there were clear flaws in the STWC’s organisation that would prevent it from making effective use of the support it received at this time. One particular weakness of the SWP that came to be inherited by the STWC is its bizarre tolerance of Islamic fundamentalism, an ideology that is antithetical to socialism. De facto it backs Russian imperialism everywhere, the theocratic hellhole that is Iran, the murderous psychopath that is Assad. By deliberately blurring the two issues of Iraq and Palestine , the STWC arguably did considerable harm to its own ability to make a coherent, well-argued case against war. This latter category is puzzling and he does not include the use of British troops for genuinely humanitarian purposes which don’t promote the aforementioned interests. Public support for war in Afghanistan had been much stronger than for that in Iraq . Is that an impossible notion by definition? I can oppose the bombing of Syria by the West without supporting Assad and Putin thank you very much. I have my criticisms of the political views of some of its leading figures (I remember Tariq Ali writing in the Guardian in the period shortly after the Iraq invasion, that all groups opposing the US should be regarded as “freedom fighters”) so I am inclined to see some force in some of the criticisms criticisms made. I don’t think so Karl Stewart. And yet it is those campaigning for peace and against the never-ending wars and bombing waged by the UK and NATO that get the abuse. I didn’t see any “PhilBC Coalition” protests anywhere, or even any “Gerry Coalition” protests anywhere, for example. Afghanistan had been a war with a clear casus belli (the September 11 th attacks by al Qaeda, and the Taliban‘s subsequent refusal to expel al Qaeda from Afghanistan), whereas Iraq had no such clear grounds for war. James, those are poor efforts to delegitimise John Penny and Gerry as commenters according to their (presumed) affiliation, instead of engaging with and rebutting their actual arguments. As such, it was hugely successful in mobilising hundreds of thousands around a simplistic , but essentially accurate “It’s all about oil” and associated anti US Imperialism mantra. Sticking rigidly to the “its all, solely Western imperialism’s fault” , requires StW to ignore the huge role of the lesser imperialisms of Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia – and of course Russia. These boneheads reduced a mass movement against an illegal war into a Putin fan club of about 250 people that demonstrated outside the US embassy for the right of Gadaffi to flatten Benghazi and shoulder to shoulder with Assad’s goons after his chemical attacks on the Syrian people. I’ve always opposed sectarianism and the sectarianism displayed on the contributions on this site has been disgraceful while we are trying to fight both a witch hunt against Jeremy and the UK/NATO permanent war and bombing against one country after another. The Russia that has an ultra-conservative, ultra-capitalist, homophobic regime that represses and imprisons socialists. So give up trying to occupy any moral high ground, James. 6. http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/notes/snSG-02109.pdf In response to the lattr’s complaint that STW “had nothing to say about the Iraqi regime, the theocracy in Iran, the repugnant character of the Taliban” he says. Stop the War has since been dedicated to preventing and ending the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and elsewhere. With all due respect to him, I don’t think it’s unfair to describe him as someone who is on a rightwards political trajectory – from the Socialist Party into the Labour Party and then supporting Yvette Cooper in the leadership election. If you want to get involved as a contributor, please contact James Elliott, using the form on this page. Their arguments stand or fall on their own merits/faults. I disagree with most – but not all – of his substantive political points and I thoroughly disagree 100 per cent with his conclusion. So when the secular, progressive Kurds ask for close air support from whoever will supply it to defend, for instance, Kobane – against the murderous women enslavers and pogromists of the clerico-fascist Daesh, the StWC Left simply ignores their plight. Since the bloody and illegal invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq by US and British armies, the Stop the War Coalition (StWC) has consistently called for the withdrawal of foreign troops and the ending of the occupation. But Lenins home was Russia ,and the Germans were invading that. Surely the logical thing to do would be to put forward your political disagreements without rather ridiculously condemning the whole anti-war movement – because that makes no sense at all unless your position is one of full support for intervention. Funnily enough, I loathe giving obviously poisonous groups like Stop the War so much oxygen but articles like this from Andy Newman simply make my blood boil….when, as you rightly argue elsewhere, there is so much hard thinking and medium/long term policy work to do on the economy, the EU, immigration, welfare, let alone health and education: the sort of work that any credible opposition should be doing now after a shattering election defeat. And I don’t agree that PhilBC’s arguments can be considered in any way typical of the views of socialists, as you seem to imply. Stop the War Coalition Instead it makes those words ring hollow. I note that most of the contributors in this comments section seem to be “old hands”, well acquainted with each other, and I suspect there are some old personal scores being settled. 983 likes. However, a number of factors suggest that the STWC’s influence was actually probably very weak. 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